I feel extremely frustrated, agitated, disenchanted and cold. Passionately upset and cold at the same time, weird eh? Well it happens at times. This isn’t a post about religions and conflicts but merely a post about internal emotional conflict when it comes to ones faith, belief, personal meaning of God and acceptance for who we think we are.
Going back to passionately upset and cold, there are times in life when one is so angry and so passionate about a certain cause they can kill for it. There are other times when such a situation leaves you cold and makes you shut down. I today, for the first time felt perhaps a real insight into why people care enough to riot, murder or demolish homes for their belief in their Gods or religions.
Religion, belief in God or non-belief in his/its existence form a sublime part of who we truly are as people. It defines our intrinsic characters; it helps define our principles, it helps form our perceptions of right or wrong, it gives structure to our philosophies, it gives us an identity in terms of where we comes from, where we are going and how we will deal with things on the way.
We do not talk about God or our faiths all the time nor do we consciously see our belief in any real form in day to day life. Occasionally we have intellectual conversations about it with our loved ones and friends. We debate each other’s views and understanding of the subject. We try to decipher what God means to different people, why people believe in God and why some don’t. Since it is something we do not talk about often, the words are new. When they spill out of our mouths we constantly wonder if those particular adjectives have truly summed up what we mean or whether the description we have just given is enough to really explain to the other person what we mean by it. Yet we do discuss what we truly feel unknowingly opening ourselves in a vulnerable manner to the other person by sharing some of our deepest thoughts, beliefs, convictions, confusions and motivations. We expect to learn more from these discussions but more importantly, as human beings we expect to be accepted as who we are.
It is a big enough thing to simply declare that ‘I believe in God’ and to actually sit down and try to explain to someone you care about what exactly he means to you. Especially when you know this person doesn’t believe in God. I have a definition of God and idols or a person who is omnipresent and omnipotent do not fall under that definition. Yet I believe my definition of God to be true and enough to reassure me. I do not believe there is a conventionally accepted definition of God especially in a world where there are so many varied religions, faiths and perceptions of God such as the infinite mind. My definition might be totally different from the entire generations of my parents, aunts and uncles but it is mine and I believe in it. It may not be the same God as theirs but I believe in God.
I opened my heart out to someone I love explaining my belief and I was told that under conventional definitions I do not believe in God. According to them, just because I do not believe in prayer to some deity but instead I believe in strife I am more an atheist than a theist. Does anyone have the authority to tell someone what they believe in is not really the right thing and that they have named it God but what they believe in is not really God. Can God be put into brackets and faith be defined?
What hurts me is that the statement does not question my faith nor does it ask me to defend it. It does worse than that. It simply decreed that what i believe in is untrue under some conventional norms. It shows intolerance of my belief. I am not averse to discussion and explanations but isn’t this a form of non-acceptance? Nobody needs to agree with you on your beliefs. Nobody needs to believe what you believe in. But for a subject like God, does anyone have the right to say you are wrong in saying you believe in God because it does not come under any conventional brackets? Is there any right or wrong in such a space? Isn’t assuming that someone’s faith is in a wrong category a form of non-acceptance? Isn’t that disrespect for their belief?
So what happens when someone refuses to accept your beliefs but insists on you being wrong or in the wrong bracket? What happens when someone refuses to accept at face value when you say ‘I am X’ and he still insists on saying ‘you are Y’? How helpless, agitated and forlorn you must feel? It is possible to ignore strangers and walk away from them unhurt because it doesn’t matter if they refuse to accept your identity. But you feel gutted when someone you are close to refuses to accept this belief of you, this identity of you. It’s almost like a son saying ‘dad I’m Gay’ but the dad saying ‘no, you also like women…you are simply confused. You are in fact very straight. You can call it being Gay if you want by giving it your own definitions but you are not Gay under the conventional definitions of Gay’. Where is that son supposed to go without acceptance and understanding from his own father? At least in this case one might argue that there is an agreed definition of who might be Gay and might not be but when it comes to God or faith there has never been such a conclusive agreed upon definition.
I feel cold. I feel like I’ve hit a stone wall. There are tears burning at the back of my eyes but a part of me says to hell with it…I don’t care. But as a last thing to say, tolerance of others feelings, opinions and beliefs is very important. You can believe in whatever you want to believe but you have no right to take someone else’s belief and cut it up into little pieces especially if you aren’t talking about a science or proved law but a subjective feeling that defines a part of someone’s identity.
I felt like I understood a rioters emotions for a second. No, I am not in any way justifying what people do. I am only at a basic level trying to explain that it comes from a deep sense of frustration and agitation. We all have the right to be who we are without someone telling us we are wrong in our belief. A Muslim has his faith in his Allah, a Hindu in his various Gods, a Sufi saint in God universally and an atheist in his disbelief. We are all entitled to hold our faiths and definitions without being wrong, without being challenged, without being questioned about our most basic beliefs. This is tolerance…tolerance of each other’s beliefs and respect for it. We have the right to support our convictions with reason and explanations. We as human beings do not have the right to strip someone else’s convictions. We have the right as free beings to question someone else’s faith but we do not have the right to tell them that what they believe in is actually wrong. That is intolerance…whether mild or vehement, it is intolerance none the less.
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Ok 2 points here:
1. I don’t agree that rioters have the same feeling as mentioned in your post. Most often they are the ones who want to impose their beliefs on others. Hence they riot.
2. Religion, God, etc are very personal topics. You really shouldn’t be upset by what other (close) people call you. If someone calls you a monkey, do you actually become one?
I completely agree with you. We all have our experiences and learnings in life that define our faith and belief in God. I know people who say they have seen god as a bright light that blinded them. There are people who say ‘god is there in each of us.’ Different people have had different experiences of god and with god. Their experience defines their faith. I have never seen god, but I feel the connection. I feel God is with me all the time wherever I go, so I can talk to him even if Im sitting in a toilet. I dont go n pray in front of the idols everyday, yet I feel this complete sense of contentment when I go to a temple and sit there peacefully. I dont feel the need to go to temple to meet my god. I know he stays with me.
I would like to question people who question someone else’s faith if they believe in ghosts. Whenever I have asked this question to a theist, I have got an answer that they don’t. And I ask why and they say coz they have never seen or experienced a ghost. Well then my next question is, have u seen god? They say no havent seen him but there has to be some super power that has created us. So it boils down to the same thing, u believe in what u experience. And your experience is your own. No one else can question you on what you experienced and how it moulded you.
One should realize that god does not belong to one person, he belongs to each one of us and makes his presence felt in each of our lives in his own unique way. If you saw ur god in an idol coz he was drinking milk from your spoon, that doesn’t mean that he can’t be present in my heart when I’m helping a blind man cross the road.
My relationship with my god is as personal as what brand of underwear I choose to wear, and I would not let anyone comment or define for me what wearing that particular brand means according to the “definitions.”
yes.. you would try explaining your concept of God to someone close to you.. and have cold water thrown on your beliefs, or worse- sidetracked. It happens, and you end up getting frustrated,angry and this leads to fights. Honestly, i would say this is something which is very very personal.. and sometimes even the person closest to would would not understand what your belief is, however much you try to put it in words. Therefore, till you are very certain of the reaction, its best to avoid discussing it. Leave each person to their belief.
And this is when you do believe in god, in some form or the other. Think about the people who have no faith. The smirks used to be unbearable. But hey, if you’ve chosen a different path for yourself, you get to a point where it hardly matters what another person thinks, unless of course you’re gonna turn into a rioter to defend your beliefs.
Nowadays, I have taken a conciliatory approach. When I meet Buddhists, I talk to them about spirituality. When I meet Muslims, I talk to them about Allah. When I meet Hindus, I talk to them about idol worship. Each person thinks I conform to his faith.. it makes them happy to find a compatriot and sympathizer. I’m none the worse for saving myself a futile argument.
I know everyone says faith is a private issue. But it’s as good as saying domestic violence is a private issue, let’s not meddle with it. If someone has extremist views, I believe in talking to them about it. Even sympathizing with others can open their eyes, making them more tolerant. But leaving the other person alone, and protecting a shell around yourself and your faith, does not seem to me to be the answer.
Of course, one does not need to be violent or even adversarial about it (and its tough not taking an adversarial stance in matters of such personal significance). Nevertheless, it is important to talk to engage the other person (who so rudely negated your faith) in a meaningful conversation about their faith. Gently, draw out the person’s reason and you’ll see what shaky ground s/he is standing on too.
Sometimes people cannot accept a thought which opposes directly what they believe in. If they cannot understand, they shove it away saying that you are mistaken and you would learn later about ‘how wrong you were’
So basically, if you tell them you idea of religion, God is right and that this concept also can co-exist then their idea has only half chance of being true, which many would not want to accept!!
Some people cant agree to disagree.
Hey… I just read the whole thing & all the comments… I think I would’ve responded with a mixture of what Kashmira (Point 2), Tanu & Tsu aka Nunie have to say about your feelings.
I don’t want to repeat the same thoughts framed using different words but I felt it’s important to let you know that I do care when a friend goes through a dark moment such as this.
Hope you are comforted by the loving bliss & tranquility of that Universal Spirit… whom no one has been able to confine within the stunted borders of human comprehension… but can be felt in every throbbing beat of our hearts.
Here’s a Hug.. a bright Smile & lots of Love coming your way! :D
Peace :)
I will not tell you what is best or bad. I have no religion. I chose to give up the man-made label a long time ago. But my name lets people believe I am ‘Muslim’ and their minds bind me within the conventions of that label. I am often asked why I don’t ‘look’ like one. And it saddens me, their assumption.
I only have one thing to say to you, and that I borrow from the Orville brothers:
“If we worked on the assumption that what is accepted as true really is true, then there would be little hope for advance”
Sorry. Wright brothers it is. Perhaps Orville Wright.
I feel its all for you to evolve, to make you go deeper in your own faith. I have been into The Art of Living for five years now, and trust me every argument on why I follow it has been shredded apart.
Just know that faith has nothing to do with logic, as anything that can be proved can also be disproved. Faith, love, compassion is from the heart, so its intangible.
I’d just say people who are insecure and narrow minded are the once who do not accept other as they have. My faith is my experience, and you simply cannot question it. Its like I have a pain in my leg, and if you refuse to accept it. Its not my problem.
Having said that, I know how painful it is to have someone close not understand you. In that scanario, I just say, like everyone has a right to have your own faith, everyone has a right to be ignorant.
instead of crying, i’ve learned to laugh at it or not get into such arguements in the first place (agree to disagree)
Dude I was about to comment but there is something I have to talk to you about. Anyway I can contact you? Need a favor :)
love para 3 and 4
perhaps the kind of space you talk of itself comes form the view that there are multiple ways to experience the universe and not one ideal correct way… and that view itself is not a part of some world views (theistic or atheistic)… so this is a fundamental limitation of most world-views… we’re all trying to make utopias or ideal case scenarios perhaps only because it gives us the assurance that we are following a correct path…
@Kash, Tanu, Tsu, Afo and D: I know it was a very simple thing you said about agreeing to disagree but it is also a major lesson to learn and hard to master. But knowing you have to learn something is a step forward in itself. One of the biggest things I got from your comments was no matter how close you are to someone, you are still you and what someone else thinks should bother you only so much. Thanks.
@Puls: I’ve believed in keeping communication lines open…in striving to explain no matter what but sometimes that may not be the best thing. Sometimes it is very difficult to get someone else to shift their paradigms and they might not necessarily be wrong in not wanting to shift it.
@Mads: You are right…these arguments only serve to make your faith stronger, they teach you things about yourself that only you can internally improve, they serve to isolate the strength within you that is ready to accept that believing could be a lonely stance and something one might be able to share. Love ya!
@WM: Sure you can! :)
@Neha: You hit the nail on the target and got to the crux better than I can. What hurt me most was that I felt I do not have the freedom to not be associated with a certain cult. I do not want to be accepted as a Theist nor do I think anyone has the right to bracket me as an atheist. All I want is to have the freedom to evolve my belief outside of some brackets or definition and to be accepted for what I believe in. I am not wrong for what I believe in and one must know how vast open varied and beautiful a place the universe is to allow anyone to believe in their perception of God and believe it to be true.
@Rahul: Thanks! :-) Lots of love and hugs coming your way too!
people who make assumptions on certain topics based on stereotypes or on their own beliefes find it difficult to believe anything out of the usual/ordinary/accepted concept. this is particularly so regarding very personal topics like belief in God. it’s like running into a brick wall.
I’ve had a conversation with my mom along the similar lines. She argues that I don’t have faith in God, I say I do but that doesn’t mean I am not guarded. I believe in miracles as much as she does, but then I feel unless I work towards it as well it doesn’t happen. She says I dont have “faith”, I say I do but maybe not the kind of blind faith that she does. Go figure!
People believe what they want to believe.. always remember that. It doesn’t make one person’s viewpoint right and the other’s wrong. Your belief is what you hold close to your heart… for whatever reason – usually ur personal experiences so far. The same goes for the other person. Sometimes it’s best to leave certain things they way are… introspection only worsens it.
riots are essentially a result of mob-agitation which has less to do with personal belief that with larger, devious political motivation.
i think this person who has told you you’re an atheist has a very narrow understanding of the mechanism of human thought.
I think what you’re feeling, more than anything else, is this deep sorrow of alienation: not because this person has rejected the potential of your belief, but because this person will never be able to live up to the faith you have invested in their capacity to truly ever understand you.
I’m truly deeply sorry.
Umm… rioting like pointed out is mass mentality… and its just animal frenzy where humans lose reason and follow the wolf shout and react without acting on reason or logic…
Anyone who denies the possibility of a certain belief held by you religious or moral, chemical or physical, possible or seemingly impossible is essentially disagreeing with you, being ignorant and has no real argument to enter a discussion.
You are correct in being sorry. Though, I have to say if they are certain to know that you arent a conventional believer… then all this person needs to know is that conventions are human designs… and he has his existence misplaced in a large manner if he bases beliefs on purely acquired conventions…
Don’t waste your anger on this… not listening has conventionally been a very human idiot trait!!!
I’d like to see this person quantify passion and love…
If rose is conventionally his way of reconginising love and sweat to recognise passion… HELP is required…
UMM and PRUDE… very well written… but i guess thats not the point!